15 November 2013

DTA

2013/12/05. Information from CFO Alvarez for analysts, on Monday 2012/12/02 (ES).
Impact of new regulation on fully loaded BIS III: between 50 and 70bpp, meaning a tierI core capital between 8.5-8.7%
That is really less than I thought. Will update the capital tab.
There are so many things that are not clear in my head
Let's start with what is clear.
-When BIS III starts in Jan 2014, some items are excluded from the capital directly. It is not the case for the DTA. The exclusion is 10% per year till 2024. When saying "Fully loaded", that means that the capital situation is evaluated with all DTA out. Before the DTA regulation of last Friday that means 240 bpp out, leaving a fully loaded BIS II tier I capital ratio of 8.2%. After the new DTA regulations, that means 170bpp-190 bpp out, leaving a capital ratio fully loaded between 8.7% and 8.9%. But this will not not occur because together with yearly 10% exclusion, some DTA are also utilized, transforming them into net earnings hence core core capital.
What is not clear:
- What are the exactly the DTA excluded from capital, amount per category?
- At which rate and under which circumstances can they be utilized, per category?
- Using a reasonable net earnings projection in Spain, together with the 10% rate of effective rate of exclusion from capital, how will be effective capital ratio evoluate?

2013/12/03. Start to appear analysis about DTA regulation effects (ES)
However due to the technical complexities of the computation, the entities continue to value the concrete impact.

2013/11/30. Here is the Reuters notice about DTA (EN)
Reuters states that  Santander has €4bi DTA. That is a small mistake, Santander group has €16.9bi net DTA (tax assets less tax credits). Possibly the mistake comes from the fact that one entity of the group "Santander SA" has 3.95bi of DTA. But there are other entities in the group...
However only the DTA generated in Spain are affected by the RDL of Friday. I am trying find the Spanish numbers but to no avail yet. Should be in the range of 12-13bi. Santander has significant tax assets in Brazil  (4.3bi) and US (1.4bi), but there are also significant tax credits in Brazil (395mi), UK (325mi), Consumer Germany (106mi) , and Mexico (112mi). Looking at these numbers, I fear Reuters took Brazil for Spain.
More probably the Reuters news is based on the elconfidencial.es news as here (ES). In that article the DTA for all banks are stated. For Santander the numbers for Brazil are sublisted as "Santander SA" with €4bi, Hence the mistake [Update: I think SA in that elconfidencial.es article stands for South America, mainly Brazil]. This confirms my opinion about the quality of information coming from US sources.
On the credit of Reuters, here is the official publication related to the RDL of Friday (ES). I think the information related to the DTA starts at page 95368. It is unreadable and only a local source can give sense to it.

2013/11/30. Some details appear about the Royal Ley Decree approved yesterday by the Spanish government, and they are unexpectedly favorable to Santander: (ES).
There are 3 categories of DTA: (a) Past losses, (b) provisions, (c) pensions.
Santander has a lot of (b) and (c). The expectations were that (a) and (b) would be kept as core capital. This is not the case: (b) and (c) are kept.
As a result, the boost in core capital for Santander is probably higher than €11.3bi!

Also worth noting: NCG has 4.5bi of DTA, of which nearly 3bi from past losses. This has a direct impact on which company can bid higher for it. Investment funds cannot, because they will not be able to absorb this category of DTA. Santander (and BBVA) can!
This is not limited to NCG. Spanish government could have saved all DTA. By keeping past losses out of core capital, they have build a protection against the takeover of any Spanish company with significant accumulated losses by external funds. They have given an advantage to the buyers with already a significant existing revenue stream in Spain. The cost is low for Spanish companies: some DTA out of capital, but compensated by the believe that future earnings will lower the effect.

!!!New regulation for DTA approved in Spain!!!
Will allow Santander to keep €11.3bi as tier I core capital under BISIII (that is GS numbers, and said brutally, I don't trust US analysts when related to Spain, let's wait for a confirmation from a trustful source before opening the bottle).
This is even more significant as Santander increased capital through script as if that change would not occur.
The company has now effectively a significant capital surplus.
Utilization?
I fear we have to wait until the next shareholder general assembly (March 2014?) for at most hints.

2013/11/29. DTA regulations for later today (ES). 60% of the DTA confirmed by Guindos to be kept as tier I capital (ES), just after the minister council.
and Goldman Sachs uses this to up Santander target prices by 11% to €11.95, but without buy. I think this is incoherent. Probably a typo for the 11.95. Other news says 7.5.
Santander would save €11.3bi of tier I capital

2013/11/26 Guindos: DTA regulation will be approved this Friday 29th. Will only keep 25-30bi in capital (for a total of 50bi of DTA all banks)  (ES)
Only 25-30bi could indicate that "DTA linked to retirement" are not kept. This would be a deception as it hits mainly Santander and BBVA.
Every day the notices are changing. Must be a huge political game involving the banks, the Spanish regions, the Spanish government and EU. Let's hope that this Friday we get the decision to stop the drama. However I am not sure this news is the last episode of the drama.  

2013/11/25 The current news about DTA mixed with uniformity across EZ for stress tests, RWA, and rules for NPL. All favorable for Spanish banks (ES)

2013/11/22. Best article about DTA, and the most optimistic ever. Possible that Santander saves all DTA they have in Spain: 16.9bi! That means an additional 240bpp of core capital available for acquisitions and growth. If that occurs, Botin will have his most interesting period since ABN Amro deal. (ES)

2013/11/21. Still not done with the DTA. Santander pushing to include the DTA related to retirement funds. Last target date is 11/29-12/05. (ES)

2013/11/14. News about DTA! (ES)

Next friday?
and indeed the bids for NCG are suspended till DTA decision

 Santander, BBVA, CaixaBank y en menor medida el venezolano Banesco han condicionado la presentación de su oferta vinculante a la aprobación de los créditos fiscales. El presidente de Banco Santander, Emilio Botín, reconoció públicamente hace casi un mes que para pujar por la firma gallega había antes que conocer la norma para conocer exactamente que créditos fiscales activará el Gobierno en la subasta. Novagalicia tiene en balance a 2.000 millones de euros en créditos fiscales. Y con otros 2.500 latentes, que pueden aflorar si se dan una serie de circunstancias.

19 comments:

  1. It sounds reasonable and rightly prudent to me that they are holding their horses until the announcement on DTA. Next week will be quite telling, I believe.

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  2. yes,
    Together with the DTA, NCG bids will be announced.
    Cataluyna bank will follow at short term
    The RWA story will take more time

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  3. http://www.4-traders.com/CAIXABANK-SA-357103/news/Spain-launches-sale-of-nationalized-lender-NCG-Banco-17478683/

    As you had rightly mentioned earlier (above) Vincent, and, according to this news article, the bidders for the NCG are in fact linking their bids to the DTA or to other relevant decisions by the Spanish government.

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    1. There are also some hedge funds interested.
      But they have to take 100% (wanted 51%), engage themselves for 5 years, and put a warranty of €700mi for that engagement...

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  4. Here is the post http://www.elconfidencial.com/empresas/2013-11-20/feijoo-propone-al-gobierno-vender-ncg-al-venezolano-banesco-y-guggenheim_56476/

    Going together with a Vezenuelan bank.
    Santander subsidiary in that country was nationalized.

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  5. The latest news on the DTA today (22 Nov) could be a game changer! After all, it would be Eur 16.9 billion positive change for Banco Santander in a world where JP Morgan is going to pay $ 13.0 billion in fines!!!!!!!!!!

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    1. That DTA story is the current key on Santander.
      The company has positioned itself as if no DTA are saved to core capital.
      Saving all DTA means a 25% capitalized growth potential.
      This goes together with the EPS estimates from leakage.
      So in case the DTA gets firmed, either SAN takes the growth opportunities (from BIS III, EZ banking union, organic growth), either (or both) they start a share repurchase program next general assembly.
      In both cases, they should get to around 50% cash dividend payout when back to all cash dividend.
      The 2014 story will be RWA.

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    2. I agree to everything you are saying re the DTA, the further strengthening of the bank, a re-adjusted RWA, and maybe even a stock buyback which would "absorb" the effect of the new shares that have been issued for dividends. Frankly, I will welcome the continuation of the SCRIP throughout the 2014 in order for me to enter the year 2015 with even higher number of SAN shares owned... tax free.

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  6. The latest DTA article (above) of 26 November tells me that SAN and/or BBVA have one less reason now to pursue the acquisitions of the NCG or the Cataluna Bank without further sweetening of these deals by the Spanish government. I may be wrong. I've been wrong before.

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  7. I had the same thought but the other way around.
    Spain has the approval from EU authorities to include the retirement DTA
    Why does Guindos want to exclude them, and hit Santander/BBVA?
    --> as part of the power game related around NCG, in particular about the price and loss warranties.

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  8. Well, if it is true that the potential buyers (SAN, BBVA, investment funds, etc) were negotiating for government guarantees (but not getting them) on NCG and Cataluna Bank's existing debts,then, the absence of govt guarantees coupled with below-expectation DTA numbers *might* rather deter SAN and/or BBVA than encourage for new acquisitions in Spain. But, as you've rightly implied, the last thing that the government (any government) would want is 2 weak banks in its hand that aren't attractive for other local banks that are not happy with the DTA. Anyway, it is only hours until we'll find out on 29 Nov.

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  9. Vincent,
    This is the latest that I have on DTA where it quotes the minister Mr Guindos as saying "it is Eur 30billion, the 60% of the Eur 50 billion DTA held in Spain".

    http://www.expansion.com/2013/11/28/empresas/banca/1385644061.html

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    1. Nice, I put the link in the story. I hope that at the latest on Monday we get the news about the decision including details for Santander

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    2. Wonderfull, I 1st missed the "posterior" in "posterior al Consejo de Ministros"

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    3. It's been approved today by the Spanish government: DTA Eur30 billion.

      Have a great weekend!

      http://www.elmundo.es/economia/2013/11/28/5297bad663fd3d1c3a8b459e.html

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  11. Markets are selling SAN this Monday morning (down 1.04% to 6.475Eur) most probably based on the news articles where Banco Santander's share of the DTA is reported as being Eur 4.0 billion only.

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  12. That lets me think on "MARKETS CAN REMAIN ILLOGICAL FAR LONGER THAN YOU OR I CAN REMAIN SOLVENT:" in http://www.businessinsider.com/dennis-gartmans-19-rules-of-trading-2013-11

    except for the solvent part

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    1. When it comes to Banco Santander (and probably BBVA) the markets seem to ignore the fundamentals and follow the news headlines instead. The catchier the news headline the bigger its effects on the markets... on that particular day. Fundamentals will prevail. They always do.

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